California is a template for America

Guest: Mark Baird - is a rancher, commercial pilot, radio station manager, retired deputy sheriff, businessman and constitutional scholar living in Siskiyou County in Northern California. Mark, like many in California's sprawling, mostly rural north, is disillusioned with his state's Sacramento-based government, which he believes no longer represents northern interests. That's why Baird and many others in the 23 counties above Sacramento have officially declared the reclamation of their state, even if it means breaking away and starting anew in the proposed 51st state of Jefferson, named for the third U.S. president.